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	<title>Comments on: On Canon Puncture 60 and Listener Agenda</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan Macklin</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mick,

First para: Yes.  This wasn&#039;t meant to be the entirety of the idea, just an introduction.

Second para: Excellent. This pleases Macklin greatly. *strokes chin*

Third para: And now you see my ulterior motive for posting what I did.

Fourth para: Dude, be careful slinging language around on the internet. That&#039;s how I keep getting into trouble. Most people don&#039;t know you, and even those who do you might not be catching them at their best.  When I woke up this morning, I grabbed my iPhone to check my email and went &quot;oh, fuck, is this thing now?&quot; before I saw the follow-up comment. :)

(Granted, if I had done that *after* I did my morning ritual of &quot;becoming consciously aware of my surroundings and more human with coffee &amp; shower&quot;, then I would have known it was a you-ism more readily.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mick,</p>
<p>First para: Yes.  This wasn&#8217;t meant to be the entirety of the idea, just an introduction.</p>
<p>Second para: Excellent. This pleases Macklin greatly. *strokes chin*</p>
<p>Third para: And now you see my ulterior motive for posting what I did.</p>
<p>Fourth para: Dude, be careful slinging language around on the internet. That&#8217;s how I keep getting into trouble. Most people don&#8217;t know you, and even those who do you might not be catching them at their best.  When I woke up this morning, I grabbed my iPhone to check my email and went &#8220;oh, fuck, is this thing now?&#8221; before I saw the follow-up comment. <img src='http://ryanmacklin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Granted, if I had done that *after* I did my morning ritual of &#8220;becoming consciously aware of my surroundings and more human with coffee &#038; shower&#8221;, then I would have known it was a you-ism more readily.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Bradley</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who don&#039;t know me well, that last paragraph in the previous comment was tongue-in-cheek. Don&#039;t let the Interwebz warp it otherwise.

Lotsa Love,

Mick the Bilious Banter Monkey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who don&#8217;t know me well, that last paragraph in the previous comment was tongue-in-cheek. Don&#8217;t let the Interwebz warp it otherwise.</p>
<p>Lotsa Love,</p>
<p>Mick the Bilious Banter Monkey</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Bradley</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me at this point that if you still want to conduct a conversation about listener agenda, Ryan, you might want to start another OP that is entirely podcast-neutral and focuses directly on just the agenda part. Because this thread is going to go down in history as being about Canon Puncture, and I doubt there&#039;s much anyone can do about it at this point.

And this is a good thing. This topic finally coming out in the open has been very cathartic for me, I think it has helped Rich have a clearer picture of what he wants for the show, and it has definitely helped me to clarify my and articulate what my own agenda is. 

Not to mention that according to Google Analytics, the CP site has gotten a pretty sizable Macklin Bump the past three days. And lots of the visits are first-timers. So I guess it&#039;s really true that there&#039;s no such thing as bad press.

But before you get the big head from all this kumbayah-thanks-for-the-beating-it-only-made-us-stronger chatter, you are still Canon Puncture&#039;s sworn arch-rival and also a bit of a douchebag for the part of your OP where you said our segment was &quot;bilious banter&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me at this point that if you still want to conduct a conversation about listener agenda, Ryan, you might want to start another OP that is entirely podcast-neutral and focuses directly on just the agenda part. Because this thread is going to go down in history as being about Canon Puncture, and I doubt there&#8217;s much anyone can do about it at this point.</p>
<p>And this is a good thing. This topic finally coming out in the open has been very cathartic for me, I think it has helped Rich have a clearer picture of what he wants for the show, and it has definitely helped me to clarify my and articulate what my own agenda is. </p>
<p>Not to mention that according to Google Analytics, the CP site has gotten a pretty sizable Macklin Bump the past three days. And lots of the visits are first-timers. So I guess it&#8217;s really true that there&#8217;s no such thing as bad press.</p>
<p>But before you get the big head from all this kumbayah-thanks-for-the-beating-it-only-made-us-stronger chatter, you are still Canon Puncture&#8217;s sworn arch-rival and also a bit of a douchebag for the part of your OP where you said our segment was &#8220;bilious banter&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Erb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Erb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion. I&#039;ve found over the last six months I have moved away from certain podcasts, not because they were bad, but because I wasn&#039;t getting what I wanted/needed from them. Unfortunately CP has fallen into that category, but not because it is a bad podcast. I appreciate Ryan and Daniel for helping articulate something I hadn&#039;t really understood myself (same goes to Rich and Mick)

BTW, I personally have given up all attempts to do a podcast, so let me add I have immense respect for the time and effort it takes to put out one of these shows.

ME</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. I&#8217;ve found over the last six months I have moved away from certain podcasts, not because they were bad, but because I wasn&#8217;t getting what I wanted/needed from them. Unfortunately CP has fallen into that category, but not because it is a bad podcast. I appreciate Ryan and Daniel for helping articulate something I hadn&#8217;t really understood myself (same goes to Rich and Mick)</p>
<p>BTW, I personally have given up all attempts to do a podcast, so let me add I have immense respect for the time and effort it takes to put out one of these shows.</p>
<p>ME</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Perez, The Gamer Traveler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Perez, The Gamer Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich - May I suggest you voice that more changes are coming on the show? The more I think about this, the more I realize that at least for me, this wasn&#039;t about Listener Agenda, but about Listener Expectation; create the expectation in me, and I&#039;m ready for it. 

And I want more interviews, so that&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich &#8211; May I suggest you voice that more changes are coming on the show? The more I think about this, the more I realize that at least for me, this wasn&#8217;t about Listener Agenda, but about Listener Expectation; create the expectation in me, and I&#8217;m ready for it. </p>
<p>And I want more interviews, so that&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan and Daniel,

Thanks for your feedback on the show, guys.  Ryan, we&#039;ve had this discussion before so it isn&#039;t a surprise.  Daniel, you hadn&#039;t unpacked your thoughts previously to this degree (that I&#039;d seen) so thanks for sharing them.


To speak to Ryan&#039;s blog post:
I feel our crew is better suited to entertain foremost and sometimes educate during the process by sharing our thoughts and experiences.  I think of it as the Fat Albert theory, &quot;If you aren&#039;t careful, you just might learn something, too.&quot;

Now on the format change:
The feedback on the discussion/banter per news item is interesting.  We began with the Buzz Out Loud (a CNET tech podcast) method.  They spend 2-5 minutes per topic.  So, we recorded with an approximate number of topics to fill the new 30ish minute time slot with the same ratio in mind  I&#039;m not married to doing 2 minute discussions, but I felt when BoL does it, they nail it in that time pretty easily.  So it was a good starting point.

As for adding in Ryan, well, that was me being selfish when I really look at it.  I think Ryan and I have interesting discussions and thought it might be a way to please different kinds of listeners.  The feedback I&#039;d received about the format wasn&#039;t just from Ryan, and.  The addition is still something we&#039;re considering.  Ryan and I recorded four bits so far.  We may do more, or maybe not.  I think it&#039;s dependent on our mood and if we have something to talk about.

I hate to tell you, Daniel, but we have more changes down the road: additions or enhancements, in my opinion.  And we haven&#039;t stopped doing interviews, so they will be coming soon, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan and Daniel,</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback on the show, guys.  Ryan, we&#8217;ve had this discussion before so it isn&#8217;t a surprise.  Daniel, you hadn&#8217;t unpacked your thoughts previously to this degree (that I&#8217;d seen) so thanks for sharing them.</p>
<p>To speak to Ryan&#8217;s blog post:<br />
I feel our crew is better suited to entertain foremost and sometimes educate during the process by sharing our thoughts and experiences.  I think of it as the Fat Albert theory, &#8220;If you aren&#8217;t careful, you just might learn something, too.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now on the format change:<br />
The feedback on the discussion/banter per news item is interesting.  We began with the Buzz Out Loud (a CNET tech podcast) method.  They spend 2-5 minutes per topic.  So, we recorded with an approximate number of topics to fill the new 30ish minute time slot with the same ratio in mind  I&#8217;m not married to doing 2 minute discussions, but I felt when BoL does it, they nail it in that time pretty easily.  So it was a good starting point.</p>
<p>As for adding in Ryan, well, that was me being selfish when I really look at it.  I think Ryan and I have interesting discussions and thought it might be a way to please different kinds of listeners.  The feedback I&#8217;d received about the format wasn&#8217;t just from Ryan, and.  The addition is still something we&#8217;re considering.  Ryan and I recorded four bits so far.  We may do more, or maybe not.  I think it&#8217;s dependent on our mood and if we have something to talk about.</p>
<p>I hate to tell you, Daniel, but we have more changes down the road: additions or enhancements, in my opinion.  And we haven&#8217;t stopped doing interviews, so they will be coming soon, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel M. Perez, The Gamer Traveler</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel M. Perez, The Gamer Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan: Yeah, no problem. While maybe not expressed in the best of ways, it does express my feedback of CP&#039;s episodes of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan: Yeah, no problem. While maybe not expressed in the best of ways, it does express my feedback of CP&#8217;s episodes of late.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Bradley</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Mick Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve responded to CP-specific and Mick-specific stuff over at harpingmonkey.com in the comments of the post where I linked the OP here.

Here, when I get a chance later, perhaps I&#039;ll talk about my listener agenda experience with The Game Master Show specifically and my listener agenda in general, which is, I think, primarily social, which is an agenda that I think is valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve responded to CP-specific and Mick-specific stuff over at harpingmonkey.com in the comments of the post where I linked the OP here.</p>
<p>Here, when I get a chance later, perhaps I&#8217;ll talk about my listener agenda experience with The Game Master Show specifically and my listener agenda in general, which is, I think, primarily social, which is an agenda that I think is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Macklin</title>
		<link>http://ryanmacklin.com/2009/04/on-canon-puncture-60-and-listener-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: Awesome.  If you don&#039;t mind, while it mind not add to the general public, it could be something that the CP crew finds value in.  Mind if I leave it up there?

Also, I&#039;m totally amused at how my deleting &amp; reposting my comment (as I wasn&#039;t logged in earlier) has made the conversation out of sync. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: Awesome.  If you don&#8217;t mind, while it mind not add to the general public, it could be something that the CP crew finds value in.  Mind if I leave it up there?</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m totally amused at how my deleting &#038; reposting my comment (as I wasn&#8217;t logged in earlier) has made the conversation out of sync. <img src='http://ryanmacklin.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Macklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Macklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah.  In hindsight, I realize that I started talking about listener expectations towards the end, and not agenda.  They are not the same thing, though they&#039;re closely related.  Bad blogger.  Ah well, that&#039;s what future posts are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah.  In hindsight, I realize that I started talking about listener expectations towards the end, and not agenda.  They are not the same thing, though they&#8217;re closely related.  Bad blogger.  Ah well, that&#8217;s what future posts are for.</p>
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